2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

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  1. Fishhead

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    Can't remember one really, but this could have happened with Gaborik had he not gotten injured.

    We could call any deal that turns out poorly mismanagement. Everything has risk and rewards. Like trading JJ and putting faith in Voynov, that paid off. But if Voynov falls on his face, it looks bad. Or if the Kings don't win with Richards and Philly goes on to win cups with Schenn/Simmonds, it looks terrible. Doesn't mean they were bad deals, they just didn't pay off. Because they did pay off, DL looks like a genius. Thus is the life of a GM.

    I don't think Blake was dumb enough to think that the roster was good enough to contend, that was nothing more than the typical stuff we hear when the ship is sinking. When they signed Kovalchuk, it was hoped he would jump start the Kings offense obviously. If it didn't work out, at worst they just trade him for an asset. Well, Kovy took a total **** and we are left with what we have. They knew it was a possibility, but that the odds were high enough that he could be moved if need be that it was worth the risk.
     
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    These were amazing personally when they had the Crown and not this shield it was pretty sick.
     
  3. TruKingFan

    TruKingFan Two-Time Cup Winner

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    Stop it..you're making too much sense.
     
  4. kingsfan28

    kingsfan28 Its A Kingspiracy !

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    Well, we were just coming off a playoff loss where we only gave up 7 goals, yet only could score 3, so I could see why he brought in a proven scorer. Nobody could predict the nose dive of 2018, then the guy we brought in got benched by a beer league coach for reasons. We all thought this team was a bubble team/wild card at best and so did the guys running things, unfortunately the season went south last season and that was that.
     
  5. DryIslandBartender

    DryIslandBartender KCCO

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    “The guys running things” came out and said Kings are cup contenders. There wasn’t any confusion by what was said, it was crystal clear management thought that roster could compete for a cup.
     
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    Beckerman is poison. Every franchise he touches goes to ****. I would take Lieweke back at this point.
     
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  7. piston

    piston Fire Luc

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    Sorry, could not disagree more. Dan Beckerman is a competent executive who bore no small responsibility in helping us win two Cups. He is passionate about the team, and is not a mercenary like TL. As the buffer between PA and the Kings brain trust, he manages a delicate situation very well. I think he made a mistake in allowing Luc to stab DL in the back, but Beckerman feels a debt to Luc for promoting the franchise during the dark days. I have to believe Luc is now on a tight leash, but if this team contends again, Beckerman will ensure that we can spend to the Cap. You need to look elsewhere for a scapegoat.
     
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  8. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust Master Debater Sponsor

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    What exactly does Luc do besides serve as a mouthpiece for the organization? He deals with the business/entertainment endeavors that tend to annoy many fans, but I really can’t see him being involved in hockey ops.
     
  9. DoktorJeep

    DoktorJeep Bring on the Re-Stockpile!

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    Management has consistently shown themselves to be reactionary. Coming off the poor road trip, they could see the low attendance forecasts for the upcoming games and choose to escalate the situation with Kovalchuk in the hope he would choose to retire early. Saving the Kings cash out the door.

    Low attendance is a real problem for management. In game parking, concessions, advertising & merch add up in aggregate. And when attendance is cratering early in a season, it makes the rest of the year look very long and bleak. That could cause management to do things which look weird to outsiders.

    Given Kovalchuk is still owed over $5M in salary, it's easy to see why he would push back if the GM told him that he wasn't part of the team anymore and not even welcome to practice. Kovy isn't going to do anything on his side to allow BLuc to "Mike Richards" him and get out of paying him money.

    Lucky for Kovy, Bluc aren't as smart as Dean Lombardi and aren't qualified to even come close to making that happen, seeing how easy it was for the story to leak. Best case scenario is that Jeff Solomon is given the task to clean up this mess. He's the only smart management left who isn't part of scouting.

    A lot of fans seem fixated on the on ice issues with Kovalchuk. That is playing into management's spin. Objectively, based on his performance, there is no real reason to single out Kovalchuk over Carter, Quick and given there cap busting salaries, Kopitar and Doughty, for public shaming by the coach and benching. All are paid highly to make this team competitive, going by BLuc's own public statements.

    I think sooner Kovalchuk leaves the better. Same for Carter, Quick and almost every single vet outside of Doughty. Once again Rob Blake needs to put on his big boy pants and just buy out Kovalchuk for some significant chunk of his remaining salary.

    He missed his opportunity to do so over the summer. Same for making trades. It looks like he only had the appetite or political capital to get rid of Phaneuf. Too slow, too little, too late.
     
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    I know that a lot of people feel like this happened but what evidence is there of it? Not saying you're wrong, I'm just genuinely curious because I don't think I've ever seen anything beyond speculation.
     
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    How the **** was Lombardi smart with the Richards situation? Beyond not compliance buying him out when every ****ing person in the hockey world expected him to, he royally ****ed up the contract termination and left the Kings with a cap hit until 2036. Compared to Deano, Blake is handling the Kovalchuk situation like a god damn maestro.
     
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    DoktorJeep Bring on the Re-Stockpile!

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    Luc's title is President and he is listed as the top executive underneath ownership. The buck stops with him as far as accountability for the franchise on and off the ice. As GM and VP, Blake reports to Luc, who is his boss.
     
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    DoktorJeep Bring on the Re-Stockpile!

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    You can excuse Lombardi for not buying out Richards using the compliance option due to loyalty. And the way he did eventually clean up his mistake showed he wasn't afraid to take a hit to his reputation in the service of doing the right thing for the franchise. No one carried Dean's water over Mike Richards.

    So far, Willie D, Coach Toddy and now Blake are carrying Luc's water for the Kovy mistake.
     
  14. ScoreZeGoals

    ScoreZeGoals Boooorrrrriiiinnnnng

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    I honestly don't care what happens with Kovy, just as long as a worse contract doesn't come back if he's traded. He's an old declining player with no value who won't be here when the Kings are competitive again, so if he's not being allowed to play anymore....ok. As for the Kings, keep on losing.
     
  15. Ziggy Stardust

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    Luc learned under Tim Leiweke. Blake may report to Luc, but does he have any say in hockey matters? He isn’t running the drafts or making trades. His opinion may be asked on certain players, but he’s not a part of hockey ops like Dean was.
     
  16. Ziggy Stardust

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    I guess Blake should have hired Marc Crawford as his first coaching hire. And also acquire an incompetent goaltender who is injury prone and immediately sign him to an extension before he appears in a game.
     
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    DoktorJeep Bring on the Re-Stockpile!

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    Accountability means owning the decision. Luc isn’t responsible for targeting Kovalchuk as the missing piece. But he is for approving a 3 year deal with a NMC for a 35+ year old player.
     
  18. piston

    piston Fire Luc

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    The org chart for the Kings, as I understand it is as follows:

    Phil Anshutz - owner of AEG which own the Kings
    Dan Beckerman - CEO of AEG, reports directly to PA
    Luc Robitaille - President of Hockey Operations, Governor (Kings representative at the NHL level), reports to Dan Beckerman
    Rob Blake - General Manager, reports to Luc

    My understanding is that Luc, once appointed President of Business Operations in 2007 lusted after DL's job and the power to run the hockey side of things. This is all just inferred speculation, but Luc was always tight with AEG using his boyish charm and his readiness to take the mike and become the team spokesman. When the team hit a rough patch, he used his relationship with DB to oust DL and assume control of the team.

    DB is a just a business guy, not hockey expert by any means. The loss of parking, food and merchandise revenue is not material. The thing to keep an eye on is customer count at LA Live where AEG's bread is really buttered. If season ticket holders stop going to games, this can really hurt the bottom line. But, as long as the Clippers and Lakers continue to play well, AEG should be OK. Thus, I think AEG will continue to be patient with a rebuild. The thing is, Luc is not very bright, IMO, while at the same time wanting control. That is what concerns me- he may panic and make some ill-advised rash moves. Dan Beckerman has the best job in America. He's not going to lose it for any reason. Patience is never infinite.
     
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    Dean didn't clean up any mistake, he messed up by not compliance buying him out and then demoted him to the AHL before trying a one sided contract determination. Which led to the Kings being slapped down with cap penalties that are going to affect this team until 2036. That was not smart and was not the right thing for this franchise.

    I don't quite get the carrying water metaphor you are using here.
     
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    Firstly you’re presenting opinion as it were fact.

    Second he can’t buy out Kovalchuk, as I’m sure you know. Unless you’re talking about an agreement to terminate his contract, which would still leave us with the cap hit which isn’t really an issue anyway.
     
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    You can’t really excuse it. He made an emotional decision, which by definition made it a terrible one. I wanted Richards to stay, but I’m a fan so am allowed to be emotional about it. However at the time even I knew it was a bad call although nowhere near as bad as it turned out.
     
  22. Ziggy Stardust

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    Goddammit.
     
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    We've got all season for TMac to try to get Kempe's goofy butt going. It will be worth it if he does. And if it doesn't, ni modo.
     
  24. ibleedkings

    ibleedkings #ourprayer4lafreniere

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    quickly losing faith in TM.
     
  25. tny760

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    sucks but i mean i think it was pretty clearly just a message being sent to kempe, not too surprised to see him back in

    i wouldn't mind seeing iafallo have a seat personally
     

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