Discussion in 'Winnipeg Jets' started by AlphaLackey, Jun 18, 2019.
Bitteto - Sbisa
#1 tank pairing.
Sbisa is a +2. Morrissey-Poolman would have been the #1 tank pairing but I think that won't be seen again.
I see a lot of gloom and doom here on this thread, but I think the Jet's are positioned really well. I've never seen a Jet's team so stacked with offensive firepower as we have now.
All we need is a couple of key pieces on the defense, and we'll be sitting pretty. We could trade off an offensive player for one, or sign an unrestricted free agent, or draft a good one ? We also have Niku and Heinola coming up the ranks. Also we still may have Buff returning ? but it doesn't look good right now ??
2 most important things we have is --"goaltending" and a great group of young forwards, and that's the 2 most difficult areas to solve if your an NHL Hockey club.
One thing that does bother me is Wheelers contact -- he's slowing down a lot, and it be nice to trade him, for a skilled defenseman. He does have a "no move " clause in his contract, and would have to agree to this deal as well. You never know on this ??
Overall we're a couple key pieces away-- 2 good defenseman.
Overall --I really like the way the Jet's are positioned.
Umm, I think you’re in the wrong thread
This one is for embracing the suckage!
Maurice is a terrible tank coach. His record in the last 10 games of non playoff seasons with the Jets is probably 25-2-3. He is a ruthlessly efficient garbage time coach and nobody is better at trolling tanker nation.
Trust me this won’t end well for you guys this season unless we win the lottery.
I don't think it's that easy in a cap world.
How do you get those 2 D-men without hurting your forward group and how do you fit everyone under the cap, is a massive question mark.
This defense needs a guy to build around to be a serious Cup threat, and that's one of the most toughest things to add without tanking/and or while keeping that forward group together.
The forward group looks good now but it really can't lose any more high end talent/quality depth, especially when Wheeler will keep declining as the years go.
(not forgetting the #2C longterm solution needs to be figured out).
Pretty much agree with this. I fully expect us to finish within a couple points either way of the playoff line. We will end up picking somewhere in the 14-18 range. In one scenario we will have that 1-2% chance at a lottery ball, in the other we will have a slightly better punchers chance at a playoff run.
Coaches & players don’t tank......only GM’s do.
Unfortunately, you may be right. It would be better for the franchise to get a decent shot at the top two guys this year. The rebound will be much higher in the next couple of years if that happened.
My biggest fear vis-a-vis tanking is that the Jets become the new Mild: Sometimes missing the playoffs, sometimes making the second round but mostly out without much of a fight in the first round.
Rather a few years of absolute suckage followed by a couple of deep runs, thank you very much.
Not sure if there is a case to argue this is true overall. Many examples of total suckage & high picks.......followed by more suckage (defines as poor playoff success). Oilers, Sabres, Leafs, etc that’s just off the top of my head and zero digging.
I would be ecstatic if we landed either of the top two. It would be worth a horrible 2019/20 season, and set us up huge for success in the seasons following.
...or, years of total suckage followed by multiple Stanley Cups (Chicago, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles).
This is my fear as well.
This doesn’t prove or disapprove anything....as I stated. There is significant evidence to prove its far from a given.
We seem to be on track for a 500 season or perhaps just a bit better. So...that's about 85 points, which last year would have put us 20th in the league. Thus just low enough to miss the playoffs but high enough to get about 12th overall pick. If we're lucky, that could get us another Connor or Morrissey level of player.
Would we be better off with a top two pick or a 15th pick?
Oh so now you wanna be optimistic?
Using historical results from teams records doesn’t show any clear Uniform constant pattern of significant improvement in the following immediate years. Aka tanking isn’t a sure thing.
...except for Pittsburgh, Chicago and Los Angeles.
Except Oilers, Sabres and Leafs to name just a few. Not hard to come up with examples for both sides of the argument which is my point. There is no sure thing.
Perhaps, but it is obviously a massive benefit for the Jets to land either of Byfield or Lafreniere rather than who is in the middle of the pack.
Yeah I know, the lottery adds drama (we may not get the high pick even if we are among the two worst teams in the league this year), but I'd hate to be the kind of team that just keeps spinning its wheels (borderline playoff team, or a "decent" team that never advances past the first couple of rounds and never really improves to any meaningful degree).
I never stated it didn’t help, I just stated it’s not a sure thing.
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