C Jack Hughes - USNTDP (2019 Draft)

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  1. 93LEAFS

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    If the OHL was paying these kid 6 figure salary's under collectively bargained rules it might be a different story. Right now they are giving them a stipend and an education package that expires 18 months after you finish playing.

    But, what you proposed will never happen. Too many kids chase the dream and are willing to play anywhere. Very few have that level of control that someone like Hughes does. Maybe if teams don't want to be dodged they should improve their facilities and development process. Its not like the Knights were like this pre-Hunter's or Windsor was pre-Rychel.
     
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    While I don't necessarily agree with the poster you quoted, there is a huge difference between the OHL and the NHL. Being on a good team with top facilities and good exposure can have a significant effect on a teenager's development. In the NHL, all teams have A++ facilities, etc.
     
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    I'm not saying it will happen. I'm saying would you like it if it did? Would it be fair if top players decided they wanted to play for the Hawks?

    That's the bs the OHL is dealing with. If the draft doesn't work the way it's supposed to (worst teams get best players for the most part) then somethings wrong. I have zero problem with Hughes saying he's going the US route. I DO however have a problem if he's just trying to go to London.
     
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    McDavid didn't need to go to London. Ekblad. Mathews. Laine. (I could go on and on) Neither does Hughes. When you're considered the top pick in the draft do you really need exposure? Your name is already on everyone in the hockey worlds tongue, and you haven't even played junior yet.
     
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    Taylor Hall forced his way to Windsor, and Mackinnon to Halifax, there are countless examples over the years.

    We aren't talking about professionals, we are talking about 16-year-old kids and their parents. I think they should find the best developmental system for their kids. Certain teams have sub-par facilities and a history of dysfunction (Sudbury and Flint are the first that come to mind).

    Maybe those teams should look inward at their own issues, before blaming parents and kids who want to put their kid in the best position to make the NHL. The OHL isn't a professional league with a collectively bargained agreement with the players. To compare it to the NHL is so far-reaching it ridiculous given the vast differences in facilities, location (yes, some parents want to still be close to their kids), and so on.

    I doubt Hughes wants to hold out all summer to get his way, my bet he's in the USNTDP.
     
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    I'm a fan of junior hockey. I want the Peterborough Petes and the Val D'ors to survive. I'm just sick of teams like the Knights getting special treatment. I respect their management...I just don't think they deserve any help at winning. When they get a guy like Domi feeding a bunch of bs it's just not right.

    I agree that Hughes is likely just going the NTDP route. Nice talking to ya...:cheers:
     
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    Wow, so Sauga gambled on him at 8 (pick they got for a non-reporting Nihznikov). Quite a bold move for someone not likely to report.
     
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    8 might be a bit early but pretty sure they can trade him for assets like they did with Nizhnikov.
     
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    That sort of depends if there is even a team he is willing to report to. It will be interesting, to say the least. It may end up a wasted pick most likely similar to how the Tyler Weiss situation in Sarnia looks.
     
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    I'm pretty sure there's a rule preventing a team from doing that 2 years in a row.

    Maybe they are hoping he reports after 2 years?
     
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    This definitely seems like a London Knights set up. if I was a team in the OHL, I would draft him and not trade him to London out of spite
     
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    If you are a team in the east, why wouldn't you? You acquire assets, plus the same pick in next years draft (how the Steelheads got this pick in the first place because Nizhnikov wouldn't report).
     
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    Again, I'm pretty sure the Steelheads could not get another compensatory pick for next year, so that reduces the attractiveness of trading him from a futures point of view.

    One thing the Steelheads could possibly do is to keep his rights until the underage trading window in January and then flip him to London for player assets as well as picks. Missy will be good again next year so this might make sense for a run
     
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    As I said I would do it out of spite to try make a statement to the way London operates is not fair to the rest of the league and if this guy doesn't want to play for any other team in the OHL he can rot in hell, he isn't playing for London and I will make sure of that.

    Other teams need to stand up to London else they will continue to operate as is
     
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    No, they don't.
     
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    For those of us who don't follow the OHL very closely, would he have gone ahead of Suzuki without the NTDP factor?
     
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    Most likely. It is unclear if Suzuki would have gone ahead of Beecher and Turcotte if both weren't USNTDP.
     
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    Yes - Hughes was undoubtedly # 1.
     
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    I know this was mentioned earlier in this thread -

    Interesting that the OHL page is calling Bertuzzi as an American as 4 Americans picked in the 1st round of the draft along with Hughes, Robertson, and Harley.

    Now I know he is born in the US, so maybe that's why they are saying that, but even more interesting is when you click on his name, they have him from MI but Canadian?? I am shocked they didn't even put dual for him like they did with Hughes.

    just throwing that out there.
     
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    Bertuzzi was born in Canada
     
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    Bertuzzi was born in Birmingham Michigan. Its why he had any consideration for the USNDP.
     
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    Accidentally posted on the wrong thread
     
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    This is what I am going off of.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Bertuzzi#cite_note-force-1
     
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