D Thomas Harley - Mississauga Steelheads, OHL (2019, 18th, DAL)

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  1. blinkman360

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    Just want to help get this to 2 pages.

    I agree with the previous Isles poster. If he’s somehow available in the later first I’d snatch him up real quick.
     
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    Great skater, and he looks very composed. Can also see him getting much stronger in time. He looks like a stick out there right now.
     
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    He's a bit of a gambler though. Loves to jump up in the play.

    Alot of upside, but still a work in progress. I'd take York ahead of him.
     
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    Chabot is a perfect comparable.


    I love Harley. Amazingly fluid skater that had exceptional mobility in all directions, good speed and acceleration as well. Great passer and good in his own zone.
     
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    I'm still trying to decide which defensemen I hope at least one of which will drop to the 16-20 range that will be the Winnipeg first round pick. Harley, York and Soderstrom are among the candidates right now. I think all have top pairing upside. It would be nice if we could add 1-2 more defensemen to that range, but I don't currently think I see anyone else in that range. Maybe Ryan Johnson if I'm considering a reach to add to that range. I'm not a huge fan of Seider or Heinola's upside, and I don't think Broberg is all too likely to reach his upside.
     
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    I’m with you on this. I think that trio is quite a strong group of defensemen with solid floors and considerable offensive upside, that’s just being pushed down by a preponderance of high-quality centres. I have seen little of Seider and Johnson. Heinola had a serious hype job going, as always happens with one or two likely late-first picks, but has been plainly awful at the U18s. Broberg has some great physical tools but has weirdly inconsistent hands and passing ability and the strength of his play varies immensely from one shift to another, it’s quite odd. He’s a guy that I could easily see some team making a massive reach on in the latter half of the top-10, and looking very smart or very foolish within two years. I’d lean towards the latter.
     
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    I’v been on him for a couple of months now. He likely won’t be available when we pick. Would be the perfect future partner for Dobson or Pulock. He reminds me of Toews.
     
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    his edgework are unbelievable, he actually gain speed doing sidestep crossovers at the blue line to reposition to either create a shooting lane or a passing lane, it's impressive!
     
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    Harley, Heinola, York, and Broberg are tough to rank for me. Harley might have the most upside, but he also has the lowest floor since he's an adventure in his own zone. Pretty sure one of these guys will be a Hab on draft day.
     
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    Broberg also has a very low floor.
     
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    How so? He's excellent defensively, skates like the wind, knows how to shoot, and has great size.
     
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    I don’t think he’s excellent defensively. He’s above average defensively for a draft prospect, but his defense is nowhere near NHL level yet.

    The rest of the things you named are skills that we often see players over-drafted based on. There are big players who can skate and register high MPH on their shot in every league.

    I think if he doesn’t change his approach or improve his puck skills and hockey IQ, he’ll be a bottom pairing defensemen, at best.
     
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    I think his floor is a complimentary top 4 guy. His upside is Jeff Petry. Very safe prospect IMO. York and Harley are the gambles.
     
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    I don't think York is a gamble, he's pretty safe. Plays a well rounded game, kinda like Ty Smith last year.

    But Harley I'd agree with. Could be the next Chabot, or he could be a borderline NHLer. Biggest boom/bust type in the group of D's after Byram.
     
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    Byram is a blue chip stud. York I just want to see play in a different setting with different teammates. No doubt he can skate and dish the puck though. I do like his game alot.
     
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    Yeah Byram is a stud. I was hopeful the Nucks would be in a spot to get him, but that's not happening now.
     
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    Except not good in his own zone
     
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    Big Harley fan. I can't see him falling to late first round. I feel like he would go 10-15.
     
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    A falsity. He was lacking in that category at the start of the year, but has made a huge step with the Steelheads and I imagine he will only continue to improve. He moves well, times his physical play intelligently, and has better than decent gap control and stick work now.
     
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    He's showing improvement and is at a decent level rn. A good sign for the future and his development.
     
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    I won't pretend that I've seen him before the u18 but I've been underwhelmed so far. Yes, he's a great skater and makes good plays in the offensive zone but defensively he runs around in his own zone and gets beat on the rush. Just today against Belarus, there was one 1 on 1 against him and he got beat and took a penalty. For someone so fast and so tall, it's weird how he gets beat defensively. I think he needs to add size, learn how to dominate people physically, and also improve his defensive instincts.
     
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    That’s all details that you can work with him. He has the natural instinct that you can’t teach and that’s why he is my target
     
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    He needs to add strength, no doubt, and there’s definite room for improvement on the defensive side of things. If there wasn’t, we wouldn’t be talking about him in the 10-20 range, but in the 3-10 range. I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on a player “beating” him at the end of a completely lopsided game, especially considering that the deke was to the outside, into the corner.

    A guy like Chabot was not known for being a defensive stalwart at 17 by any means, but has used his speed to make things work at the next level. Remember when Zboril, Chabot’s defensive conscience in his draft year, went ahead of him? Not looking like a great decision, to put it lightly.
     
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    How is there not more talk going on about this kid?

    Bob Mackenzie just had him ranked #17 overall.

    6'3 D, one of the best skaters in the draft, excellent offensive skillset.

    There hasnt been a single post in this thread since April :laugh:
     
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