D Ville Heinola - Lukko U20, Jr. A SM-Liiga (2019, 20th, WPG)

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  1. Kaako Kappo

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    He has some high end hockey IQ and vision. First round pick for sure. Looked great on small ice too during u20
     
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    He's really underrated.
     
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    I like him much more than Mikko Kokkonen myself. And honestly, I don't get why he's only considered a late 1st round pick. 5 points in 5 games since returning from injury and he's looked fantastic everywhere, even the u20s when he played. Yes yes, I get it, Finnish homer and all, but with his stats alone he should be an easy consideration top 10. And the eye test and trajectory help immensely.

    If he actually ends up going past pick ~15 during this draft year which I don't consider particularly strong, that'll be a candidate to be the steal of the draft IMO.
     
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    I have seen his numbers and offensive ability. How's his defensive play and skating?
     
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    Defensively he's really good, apart from the fact that he's not that big or heavy and hence can get outmuscled but I guess that's to be expected.

    Skating is very good. Perhaps not Heiskanen level but very good. Not a Kokkonen for sure.
     
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    I see him as a Heiskanen-copy, but not with the incredible skating that Miro has. He is a lock for top-20 in my books, clearly the best finnish D-man for this draft.
     
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    I pretty much agree. It does seem to me though that Heinola might have a bit higher hockey IQ than Heiskanen. This is of course pretty difficult to evaluate, but I do think that I have usually got a pretty good picture of which prospects have really higher IQ's and which ones lack it. Don't get me wrong though - Heiskanen has also pretty high hockey IQ, but it just seems to me so far that Heinola might have even higher.
     
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    If you have a guy, who thinks the game at a high enough level, then shouldn't there just be a ceiling at some point. I mean, I just find it kind of pointless to try to actually compare two super-smart players by their hockey iqs. At that point I'd say the analysis gets too biased by the surroundings of each player. It's a team sport in the end, and the iq is being at the right place at the right time doing the right thing. And these special guys, perhaps unconsciously, think where they should be next. I think it's impossible to evaluate.

    Well, no offense really. Just got some thoughts and thought I might share.
     
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    I think when comparing Heinola and Heiskanen at 17, you could argue they seem quite similar but I'd still give Heiskanen the edge over his more solid two way game. Heinola seems to focus a bit more on the offence than Heiskanen did at the same age.

    I admit this kid has been flying under my radar the whole season and the first time I really focused on the kid in WJC, there were surely a lot of good things in his game but at same time I feel like he could have a lot better job in his own zone/without the puck than what he showed in WJC.

    Still very exciting prospect considering he never seemed to get much talk during his time in juniors and has only recently started to show what he's capable of.
     
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    Yeah, I agree, he's been my gatekeeper for my top-15 but I could see him moving higher. Look forward to seeing him at the u18s.
     
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    He said before season he need to train most skating bcs that´s too weak.
     
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    Heinola was today IMO best player in Liiga game Lukko - HIFK. Heinola is very good defensive player. He dont do bad choises in ice. Like NYR prospect Tarmo Reunanen doing 10-15 mistakes every game, Heinola does 0-3.
     
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    Got crosschecked in the head.
     
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    Could be better than Jokiharju but not quite on Miro's level which is a big compliment.
     
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    Yup, better than Vaakanainen and Jokiharju. Top 10-15 pick in my opinion.
     
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    Looks like the guy left his feet on the first hit, little high to my liking..

    Shhh.. My team should be picking around the 15-20 spot.
     
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    Stars, Canadiens & Hurricanes picking 15-25 and they like Finnish players so Heinola will goes 15-25 or early second round (big stole then)
     
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    Carolina wont likely pick a dman and I doubt Dallas will either, especially LHD.
     
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    Are people sleeping on this guy? He's outpacing Heiskanen at the same age yet there are some who don't have him in the 1st round.
     
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    They were sleeping on Heiskanen too before the U18WC. I just can't understand how hard is to some people recognize special hockey IQ.
     
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    Naa men, just Finns over hyping their prospects once again. It's not like Finland's produced tons of quality players lately or anything.
     
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    Call me crazy, but this kid is going to be a really special player and it’s going to show in the U18’s. Watch the kid rise up from 20-25 to the best D-man of the draft. My take is that he is gonna be drafted in the top 10
     
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    My hope is that he's drafted in the mid-teens. ;)
     
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    8 points in his last 10 games, since returning from injury.

    If a forward scores at that pace for a season they're a top 5 pick.
     
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