How good was Scott Niedermayer ?

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  1. SantaClaus

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    I was having a discussion with my friend and we were trying to rank Niedermayer as a player, and who would be a comparable player. Obviously he was an amazing all-around player for almost his entire career and a pure-blooded winner, where would you rank him among his peer ?
     
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    Doughty would be today's comparable, no? Best dman in the league at his peak but consistently a top-5 2-way, minute munching d-man with elite offensive instincts and can lead a team to a cup
     
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    In a league with Lidstrom and Pronger? No.

    Although I do feel like he was under-rated with the Devils behind Stevens and Brodeur and the move to Anaheim really enhanced his reputation.
     
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    hmm better than doughty atm. kinda similar in ways ,

    he prob would have retired after the devils if he didnt want to get his brother a cup and could have kept playing but its like he didnt care after that coming for half seasons or whatever after he decided to play every year.

    thats how I think they are similar tho doughty doesnt seem to care while the kings suck he is just showing up
     
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    I get what you're saying, but as far as ranking them historically, I don't think Doughty is close.
     
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    Maybe a prime Keith minus the dirty cheap shots? Niedermayer is a winner that won everything under the sun. A bit undersized with amazing offensive instincts. But sacrificed it to play in Lemaire's suffocating system. Came alive playing with Pronger. As a player, as good as you can get.
     
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    He was like Doughty with prime Karlsson's skating.
     
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    Smoothest skater I'd seen.

    Was a more conscientious Paul Coffey, who picked his spots better, but less offensive flair.

    Doughty was the closest, but he plays nothing like Doughty.
     
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    He was a top 20 defenceman most of the time but was treated as though he was top 5. Elite skater, not that physical, smart passer, shot was nothing special, became smart defensively, was stronger than he looked. When Niedermayer played a really engaged game, like from the 2004-2007 seasons, he was a top three defenceman in hockey.
     
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    Played most of his career in front of Brodeur.
     
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    At his best he was on par with the likes of Pronger, MacInnis, and Blake.
     
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    And Brodeur played most of his career behind Stevens, Niedermayer, Rafalski and Daneyko. Great players compliment each other.
     
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    Best skating defenseman of all time, combined with great defensive skills.
     
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    Reminds me a lot of a prime Ducan Keith and he aged well. Must be around 20 for all time defenseman.
     
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    ranking modern Dmen :

    Bourque
    Lidstrom
    Coffey
    Cheli
    MacInnis
    Pronger
    Karlsson(?)
    Leetch
    Stevens
    Nieds
    Chara
    Keith
    Doughty
    Blake

    something like that.
     
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    Paul Coffey and Bobby Orr say hi
     
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    He was a star. So underrated on these boards.
     
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    no way is he above Chara or Keith.

    He is the ultimate "other guy" painfully overrated because he was lucky enough to spend his career next to Stevens and Pronger. He's a good defenseman, but is the textbook case of riding coattails
     
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    How does playing in front of a great goalie make you a better player? His +/- ?

    If youre going to argue Cups, well tell me, how many Conn Smythes does Brodeur have?
     
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    I disagree. He was as much a factor in winning the Cup in NJ and especially ANA where he won the CS.

    Keith has been irrelevant for a few years now too and hes only 36, whereas Nieds played great ALL his career. Not even close. Peak you can argue.
     
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    I really don't know of a defenseman today that was like Neidermayer because most really pure skating defensemen don't turn backwards much.

    Neidermayer could wheel backwards as fast as most skaters could state forwards and it looked just as effortless. He, Coffey, and Orr are really in a class all their own when it comes to skating.
     
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    Hell no.

    The legend of Scott Niedermayer gets bigger every year. He is not as good as he is made up to be.
     

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