Hungary: Hungarian Hockey Expands Focus

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  1. nablock

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    I had some hope that Patrik Nemeth would end up joining the Hungarian national team if they made it to the top level. If you are not a citizen of the country, isn't the rule that you just waive your right to play for any other country internationally? I would think this isn't a problem unless Norbert had logged minutes with the Swedish national team.
     
  2. Kiraly

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    After spending 4 years playing in Hungary, Norbert Hari went to Sweden at the age of 11. After a few years Hari acquired Swedish citizenship becoming a dual-citizen. Hari has never represented Sweden in an IIHF tournament, but has requested he be allowed to represent Hungary.

    The IIHF ruled that he could not represent Hungary as the four years he spent in Hungary were at a young age - an age the IIHF deems insufficient to count as years playing in a country. I have never appreciated the reasoning behind this especially considering the fact that this rule was created after their ruling against Hari.
     
  3. Kiraly

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    If you click on the link now, only the Slovak flag appears now.

    Interestingly, he is currently playing for Hungary against South Korea in an EIHC game. I saw his name in the scoring line and remembered your comment about him.
     
  4. slovakiasnextone

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    How isn't there a mention about Hungary promoting to the elite division once again?

    I kinda found this article from Slovak Pravda where Tamas Sille and Ladislav Sikorcin talk about Hungarian hockey.

    They mention that alongside with football, water polo, handball and basketball hockey is one of the five team sports, which get support from the government.

    The article also mentions how Hungary was able to use it's success of the 2008 promotion to benefit the sport and how it managed to gain resources and popularity between fans and kids and how new rinks were built (in a way making a comparison with Slovakia failing the very same task with its success from the earl 2000s).
     
  5. Kiraly

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    Thanks for the link.

    Hockey in Hungary has a small, but strong (and growing) following. I watched all the games online this year and was impressed with the show of support.

    Regarding the promotion, I'm thinking it will be tough next year in Russia to even register a point. They won promotion with the help of some recently naturalized Canadians who are very near the ends of their careers.

    Unrelated, but I'll post it here anyway. Found it on a Hungarian hockey blog:

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    :)
     
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    I have watched the last game against Poland and the 3000 Hungarian fans in attendance made for some great atmosphere in Krakow.

    As for the Canadians, yeah there were Sarauer, Metcalfe and Banham. I'm not much of a fan of the naturalising players phenomena, but I suppose the Hungarian federation had a good reason for including them. The successfull generation of players from 2008/2009 has finished, only the Vas brothers and Csaba Kovacs remained from the 2009 WC team. Then there's the new generation of players, as Hungary gained promotion with 12 players aged 25 or younger on the roster, so the reasoning behind the three Canadians was probably to get a bit of experience in addition to the Hari and co. generation.

    But considering the Italian philosophy of playing with mainly home grown players this year, it wouldn't have been all that surprising if Hungary managed the promotion even without the Canadians. Though that's speaking very hypothetically.

    All that said anything but relegation in Russia next year would be a huge shock. However 2015 doesn't have to be the last time this generation of Hungarian players plays at the elite IHWC.
     
  7. Kiraly

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    I think Hungary will be moving up and down more frequently in the coming years. The 25-30 age group now is better than the 25-30 group back in 2008. There are 10 players under 25 playing now compared to just 5 under 25 in 2008. Norbert Hari and Vilmos Gallo are in the pipeline and will likely become regular NT members.

    I don't think we will be seeing the same teams promote and relegate year in year out. Kazakhstan has an aging team, but they continue to naturalize foreigners to replenish their NT. Of the elevator nations, they may prove to be the strongest in the short term.

    As for the rest, I don't think there is a lot separating Slovenia, Italy, Austria, and Hungary at the youth level. So the difference between these teams will likely lessen over the next few years at the senior level.
     
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    St. Pölten U16 Tournament:

    2015. november 5., 11:15 Vs St. Pölten
    2015. november 5., 19:10 Vs Slovenia
    2015. november 6., 15:40 Vs Italy
    2015. november 7., 13:40 Vs Austria

    Goaltenders
    Galló Olivér, Jarfalla (SWE)
    Márkus Levente, UTE
    Sági Máté, MAC

    Defensemen
    Balajthy Dániel, Fehérvár
    Blazsej Krisztián, UTE
    Egyedi Zsolt, UTE
    Fekete Botond, Fehérvár
    Pokornyi Dávid, UTE
    Seregély Máté, MAC
    Szécsi Patrik, Pesterzsébet
    Szabó Zsolt, UTE

    Forwards:
    Almási Márk, Fehérvár
    Dézsi Bence, Fehérvár
    Farkas Márton, Miskolc
    Horváth László, Győr
    Kemény Patrik, Linz (AUT)
    Kovács Alex, Fehérvár
    Kovács Sebestyén, UTE
    Páterka Bence, UTE
    Rácz Kristóf, Debrecen
    Révész Marcell, Basel (SUI)
    Stadler Máté, Fehérvár
    Vértes Nátán, Fehérvár
     
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    Telfs U18 Tournament:

    2015. November 5, Vs. Italy
    2015. November 6, Vs. Austria
    2015. November 7, Vs. Slovenia

    Goaltenders
    Kovács Dávid, Langnau (SUI)
    Medgyes Csaba, Vasas
    Tóth Károly Balázs, Linz (AUT)

    Defensemen
    Bálint Tamás, Frankfurt (GER)
    Bán Károly Tibor, Pesterzsébet
    Bukor Rajmund, Vasas
    Fejes Nándor, MAC
    Kiss Roland, Fehérvár
    Sándor Flórián, Fehérvár
    Szabó Bence, Fehérvár
    Tóth Gergely, MAC

    Forwards:
    Horváth Bálint, Rögle BK (SWE)
    Horváth Richárd, Fehérvár
    Korchma Bence, MAC
    Kreisz Brúnó, MAC
    Majoross Barnabás, MAC
    Molnár Dávid, Debrecen
    Nagy Ãkos, Fehérvár
    Pozsár Márk, Pesterzsébet
    Sebestyén Dávid, MAC
    Szalma Zsol, UTE
    Szigeti Ãkos, MAC
    Szlépka Armand, Vasas
     
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    Vaujany U20 Tournament

    2015. November 5., Vs. Italy
    2015. November 6., Vs. France
    2015. November 7., Vs. Slovenia

    Goaltenders:
    Arany Gergely, MAC
    Kiss Bence, Miskolc

    Defensemen:
    Garát Zsombor, Boston Jr. Bandits (EHL)
    Herner Olivér, MAC
    Herszényi András, MAC
    Jászai Dávid, MAC
    Kovács Attila. MAC
    Stipsicz Bence. MAC
    Vokla Roland, Fehérvár

    Forwards:
    Antal Norbert. Borlange (SWE)
    Bödök Bence. MAC
    Galló Vilmos, Linköping (SWE)
    Gáspár Máté, Linz (AUT)
    Kiss Patrik, Fehérvár
    Kiss Zsombor, HC Davos (SUI)
    Pápa Márton. Vasas
    Sági Martin, Linz (AUT)
    Szabad Kevin, Vienna Capitals (AUT)
    Szabó Krisztián, Fehérvár
    Szita Donát, Fehérvár
    Terbócs István, MAC
    Vizi Dániel, Fehérvár
     
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    Final 2016 WC Roster

    Goaltenders:
    Zoltán Hetényi
    Miklós Rajna
    Ãdám Vay

    Defensemen:
    Jesse Dudas
    Zsombor Garát*
    István Mestyán
    Kalvin Sagert
    Bence Stipicz*
    Bence Szirányi
    Márton Vas
    Kevin Wehrs

    Forwards:
    Frank Banham
    István Bartalis
    András Benk
    Csanád Erdély
    Vilmos Galló
    Csaba Kovács
    Dániel Kóger
    Bálint Magosi
    Gergő Nagy
    Krisztián Nagy
    Andrew Sarauer
    Balázs Sebők
    István Sofron
    János Vas

    Not Participating due to Injury:
    János Hári
     
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    Looks like Hungary could have 2 players in the USHL this season. Cedar Rapids has added Bence Stipsicz and Peter Zsombor-Garat to the roster.


    Kevin Wehrs tipped his former USHL coach off about the two guys from what I am told
     
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    and more transfers:
    Vay to AHL? (2way contract)
    Bartalis to DEL
    & Dudas to FIN1
     
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    Stipsicz made the final Cedar Rapids roster, but Zsombor-Garat was released and is playing in the NAHL for the Austin Bruins
     
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    Predictable. Austin has played two games so far, has a game tonight and stats for Zsombor-Garat are up to date.
     
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    It looks like a nation on the rise for Ice Hockey.

    They are now in the IA division on U20. Is it the next 'new' country to go top 10 ?
     
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    They will likely be relegated this year back to Group B as there is a significant gap between the two groups and the 1998 born group is relatively weak. The 1999 and 2000 born players look to be more competitive so they should promote back up the following year.

    I don't see them breaking into the top 10 anytime soon. I think they will stay in the 16 to 18 range for the next few years.
     
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    Hungarian 98 group doesnt look weaker than 97 to me
     
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    The 1997 group is relatively weak too when compared to the 96'ers. I do think the 1997 group have better prospects on defense - two of them have already suited up for the national men's team.

    I think less than half the U20 team this year will consist of 1998 born players. About half will be 1999 born with at least 3 from the 2000 group and maybe 1 from 2001. They will be the youngest team in this year's tournament.
     
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    U20 Camp List of Invitees

    22 players will be selected from the following group to play against the US U18 team on August 3:

    Goaltenders
    Győri Boldizsár, MAC
    Kovács Dávid, Langnau (SUI)
    Kővári Dániel, KMH
    Márkus Levente, UTE
    Maros Botond, EAC Junior Capitals (AUT)
    Nagy Kristóf, MAC
    Szeles Martin, Fehérvár
    Tóth Károly Balázs, Black Wings Linz (AUT)

    Defensemen
    Bán Károly, KMH/Pesterzsébet
    Bugár Gábor, Bodens HF (SWE)
    Bukor Rajmund, Vasas
    Darabos Krisztofer, Debrecen
    Erdély Botond, Fehérvár
    Falus Ãdám, Zürich Lions (SUI)
    Fejes Nándor, MAC
    Horváth Milán, Fehérvár
    Kiss Roland, UTE
    Kováts Máté, Vasas
    Molnár András, UTE
    Pokornyi Dávid, UTE
    Sándor Flórián, Fehérvár
    Sarcia Antonino, MAC
    Seregély Máté, MAC
    Szabó Bence, Fehérvár
    Szécsi Patrik, Pesterzsébet
    Vas Márk, Fehérvár

    Forwards
    Búzás Arnold, Fehérvár
    Császár Hunor, Fehérvár
    Csiki Attila, Vasas
    Daadou Ãdám, Titaanit (FIN)
    Dézsi Bence, Fehérvár
    Horváth Ãkos, UTE
    Horváth Bálint, Rögle (SWE)
    Horváth Bálint Dominik, KMH
    Kanyó Tamás, Graz (AUT)
    Kedves Richard, MAC
    Kemény Patrik, Győr
    Kiss Patrik, Fehérvár
    Korchma Bence, MAC
    Kovács Sebestyén, UTE
    Kreisz Brúnó, MAC
    Lőczi Ãrpád, MAC
    Madácsi Benedek, Fehérvár
    Majoross Barnabás, MAC
    Makovics Bence , Dunaújváros
    Mihály Ãkos, Fehérvár
    Molnár Dávid, MAC
    Nagy Ãkos, Fehérvár
    Pákozdi Bálint, Okanagan HA (GBR)
    Papp Kristóf, Honeybaked (USA)
    Péter Andor, Fehérvár
    Révész Marcell, Zürich Lions (SUI)
    Sebestyén Dávid, MAC
    Selmeczi András, UTE
    Szalma Zsolt, UTE
    Székely Mádai Gergő, Vasas
    Szigeti Ãkos, MAC
    Szita Donát, Fehérvár
    Tóth Gergely, MAC
    Tóth Renátó, FTC
    Török Viktor, Dunaújváros
    Varga Tamás, Vasas
    Vértes Nátán, Fehérvár
    Vincze Gergő, Fehérvár

    Last year the Americans won 4-1, outshooting the Hungarians 42-26. Patrik Kiss scored the lone Hungarian goal. He will most likely suit up against the US again this year .
     
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    Final Roster for Tomorrow's Exhibition Game

    Goaltenders
    Nagy Kristóf, MAC
    Tóth Károly Balázs, Black Wings Linz (AUT)

    Defensemen
    Bukor Rajmund, Vasas
    Erdély Botond, Fehérvár
    Fejes Nándor, MAC
    Horváth Milán, Fehérvár
    Kiss Roland, UTE
    Oroszi Ãlmos, Vasas
    Sándor Flórián, Fehérvár
    Szabó Bence, Fehérvár

    Forwards
    Dézsi Bence, Fehérvár
    Kiss Patrik, Fehérvár
    Majoross Barnabás, MAC
    Mihály Ãkos, Fehérvár
    Molnár Dávid, MAC
    Nagy Ãkos, Fehérvár
    Papp Kristóf, Honeybaked (USA)
    Péter Andor, Fehérvár
    Sebestyén Dávid, MAC
    Szita Donát, Fehérvár
    Tóth Gergely, MAC
    Vértes Nátán, Fehérvár
     
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    Similar result this year with the Americans winning 4-2, outshooting the Hungarians 44-21. Patrik Kiss did not score, but he did get an assist on the first goal by Andor Peter. Donat Szita scored the other goal for Hungary. Hungary played well notwithstanding the last American goal.
     
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