GWT: PL Matchweek 11

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  1. SJSharks39

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    While I agree with your premise here, I don’t agree with giving out a straight red for a tactical foul. I mean definitely a yellow but a red seems harsh for a little pullback to slow them down. I do think injury needs to play a part in the severity here.

    @YNWA14

    don’t feel like trying to multi quote and I’m on mobile so I’m just going to respond like this. I very very strongly disagree with suspending someone for the length of an injury for a few reasons. The first is who decides who’s at fault. Let’s look at the Mane-Ederson incident last season. Both were going 50/50 (if I remember right) and Ederson got the worst of it. So now Mane is suspended for a huge amount of time because he went for a 50/50. Just doesn’t make sense to me. The second reason is that what happens if a player suffers a setback. Say the timetable was originally 4 weeks and then they end up making it worse by training too early and now their suddenly out 4 months. The last major reason is what do you do about players who come back too early. Take Pogba for example. He injured his ankle, came back, the injury flared up again. So a player is allowed back for one game and then suspended again? I dunno maybe I’m crazy here and wrong but it just seems like it would be so hard to enforce in a sport that already has huge issues in enforcement.
     
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  2. CapitalsCupReality

    CapitalsCupReality It’s Go Time!!

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    not sure why this is so hard for some to comprehend....
     
  3. Duchene2MacKinnon

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    Pretty easy actually my team suffered so the ref got it wrong. Had my team befitted from the call the ref would've been obviously right in his decision.
     
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    I don’t think this is an effective, or manageable, solution.

    First, as @SJSharks39 mentioned, the duration of an injury, especially something involving a knee or ankle, is very fluid and you can easily have setbacks. Determining a reasonable duration an opponent is out for is impossible to do in a coherent manner. Also what if a player retires, how do you judge it then? Gomes is 26, so he’ll likely train hard and come back, but what if he was 32, there’d be a chance he’d recover and just call it a good career after an injury like that.

    Second, there’s many times where the injury is such a freak occurrence that it’s absurd to punish someone for months and months for it.

    The example I gave is one. A defender tries to toe poke the ball away as an attacker comes at him, the attacker sees it and quickly slides the ball to the side, as a result their knees briefly touch. In 99.999% of those challenges, the kind of which happen multiple times a game, the attacker either stays on his feet and continues or goes down and there’s a routine free kick. But what if on this freak occurrence, the attackers ACL blows, should the defender really be sitting for 9-12 months for that challenge? After all, the foul was his fault.

    What about a situation where an attacker is chasing a defender into the corner. We can all picture what usually happens. The defender shields the ball, the attacker bumps into him a bit from behind, the defender falls over, and a free kick is awarded. What if instead of a routine fall over, his leg catches in a bit of a rut in the grass and the slight contact from behind causes his knee to buckle or his ankle to roll and it tears something. Should the attacker really be sitting for many months because of that? After all, he’s at fault for the foul.

    It absolutely makes sense for the results of a tackle to be considered when addressing the color of the card handed out or how long a potential supplemental suspension may be, but you can’t reasonably directly tie recovery duration to suspension duration in a remotely coherent and consistent way.
     
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  5. bluesfan94

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    No it isn’t. Outcome determines consequences like all the time.
     
  6. spintheblackcircle

    spintheblackcircle Hello, Jose!

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    Even in football.

    I recklessly swing my foot at a high ball. If no one is around likely nothing happens. If there's a defender there I don't see, it's a free kick. If I make contact, it's likely a yellow. If the contact injures him significantly there's a decent chance of a red.
     
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    YNWA14 Onbreekbaar

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    Very valid points in here I can't address right at the moment, but I agree that it wouldn't be necessarily a simplistic thing to implement and there would need to be a lot of considerations. I guess if I were to flesh out the idea more it would involve baselines, a certain standard of foul, etc. just like in most legal situations it's rarely black and white but I do believe there could be some kind of system in place that punishes more harshly than just a simple red for an act that causes someone to miss significant time.

    It's kind of a moot point since there won't be such a drastic overhaul to the system anyway, but again your reasoning would have a big impact as to why it would be so hard to implement in the first place and may be unrealistic.
     
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    Sanchez should have been sent off in the extra time for a last man foul as well. Everton was going to be in on a 2 on 0. Another botched VAR review that leaves you shaking your head.
     
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    Also Guendouzi should have also been a straight red against Zaha.

    These cynical fouls should be called red no mater what.
     
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    Christian Eriksen stats vs Everton

    0 take ons
    0 chances created
    0 shots
    0 interceptions
    0 tackles
    Lost possession 16 times
    1 yellow card

    Christian Eriksen is ridiculously sh*t right now, one of the worst statistical performances I can recall ever seeing in the PL.
     
  12. S E P H

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    Also can we put end to the Ederson hype? He allowed another bogus goal and blokes here called him a top 10 goalkeeper, lol. Looney pills I guess, one of the most overrated players in the EPL easily.
     
  13. The Abusement Park

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    For real. He's got midtable(and that's a big stretch to me) goalkeeping skills and is constantly caught out of postion. He does the best on the ball skills of any goalie current on the planet though and that obviously is important for any Pep team.
     
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    MAtS :)
     
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    As you said I mean get why they got him, his distribution is simply unmatched, but they reap what they sow in a goalkeeper who is as mid-table talented as you described him.
     
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    I'm gonna disagree that Mats is better on the ball. He's an infinitely better goalie though.
     
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    I don't think I've seen anyone hyping him, not on here anyway. I thought the fact that he was not one of the best but that his skill set is well suited to a Pep team was more or less a matter of consensus.
     
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  18. Chimaera

    Chimaera same ol' Caps

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    I mean, he's one of the best keepers handling the football. He helps create attacks with his feet and outlets. I'm not sure his shot blocking abilities are the best, but it's also a debate of what you want.

    For what it's worth, he hasn't always gotten tons of help from defenders, and it's also harder to be a keeper knowing that you might have one or two chances against you in a game, and then 70 minutes of doing nothing.

    I do think some of his uneven performances could be due to complacency.
     
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