Windsor Spitfires 2019-20 Season Thread (Part 2)

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  1. windsor7

    windsor7 Registered User

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    Thats your opinion.
    Think what u want.
    I know the truth.
    Carry on...
     
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    So hold on to everybody.
    Got it.
     
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    True.
     
  4. OHLTG

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    Don't forget, I said stand pat "right now"; the deadline is a whole other story. If this team is in the same spot, then adding to make a run this year and next isn't a bad idea.
     
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    #playing both sides???
     
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    Right now is fine, I figured all of this was based on what would people want to see at the deadline.

    There's no need to make any moves before then unless something completely unforeseen happened.

    I doubt they have the pieces for this year and next again, unless something completely unforeseen happened.

    If they go into the break in first place in the conference I can understand the urge too go on a run. I think it costs them the 7 x 2nds they have, the couple of 3rds and 4ths plus Johnston and at least one or both of McDonald and Robinson.

    That's a steep price and probably means no run next year and if they don't get all of Afanasyev, Angle, Douglas and Corcoran back they'll have to move the kids to get draft picks just to be able to start a rebuild.

    That's another potential long, extended rebuild to bet on a one and done team that's having a good start to the season but so far haven't accomplished much else yet.
     
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    Anyone want to tackle this?.... I have to go son's minor hockey game... This may help decide if you were a GM what to do..

    List separately all OA's, then the 19's, and 18's (I am using these age ranges as having most impact in team success)

    Comparing their stats the past 3 yrs, predict each player/group's percentage of 'productivity' in a way that can be seen/ measurable and you can see possible hypothetical scenarios if you traded certain player/groups? Don't know if my research methodology is sound as I am just typing as I think at moment but would be fun/interesting to see what would happen if you trade certain players or their influence on the team?
     
  8. RayzorIsDull

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    Agreed selling makes the most sense. Staying pat makes the least amount of sense. Honestly they would be better off going for it than staying pat.
     
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    For me, deadline is determined come mid-December or so. See where they're at. I don't sell off, though, unless you see a major tailspin.
     
  10. cfaub

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    Here's the stats from the OHL site for the last three years. I removed any stats from other teams, only Windsor stats as a number of players were acquired via trade. I also included everyone on the team this year and all years are only players who are still with Windsor, broken down by birth year so the stats will be 2017/18, 2018/19 and 2019/20 where available.

    Of course unless someone is willing to go game by game what you don't see, and what Windsor has are a few players who are very streaky such as Purboo and D'Amico.

    Hopefully this will help with what you are hoping to see. I don't know if anyone else wants to get deep into all the stats combining all the years but this will show any progression/regression etc and the basics.

    YEARRANKPOS#BYNAMEGPGGPTSP/MPIMPPGPPASHGSHASOGGWGOTGFGIGSOGPSO-GATTSOWGSO%FOAFOWFO%PTS/GPIM/G
    2019/2010RW611999Boka, Luke1281960110026000100000481939.60.750
    2018/197RW611999Boka, Luke64122032-24625111361010111010036116244.90.50.72
    2017/184RW611999Boka, Luke64152540-84213021302150000001123430.40.630.66
    2019/203RW261999Purboo, Cole1459141423003210100000030010.29
    2018/191RW261999Purboo, Cole68292655-2649672220810553030013323.10.810.72
    2017/181RW261999Purboo, Cole68212849-440670117220141010082250.720.59
    2019/2017D221999Stevenson, Thomas143033130000162000000000000.210.93
    2018/1916D221999Stevenson, Thomas601910-5200000410001000000000.170.33
    2017/1818D221999Stevenson, Thomas67358-12220000570010000003266.70.120.33
    2019/201C72000Angle, Tyler1410102021645005210321010021910648.41.431.14
    2018/195C72000Angle, Tyler58202444-11348111015600122020088646252.10.760.59
    2017/1812C72000Angle, Tyler6710717-1742000011310231010072734547.50.250.63
    2019/208C392000Douglas, Curtis14561113170000460000000001559058.10.791.21
    2018/192C392000Douglas, Curtis66272653-17476102084071313033.325214055.60.81.12
    2017/183C392000Douglas, Curtis381513281128140010810310000030113946.20.740.74
    2019/2019LW162000Playfair, Chris1402210000018000000000174101580.140
    2018/1912LW162000Playfair, Chris49101020-16701007130500000080142352.80.410.14
    2017/1813LW162000Playfair, Chris6651217-42700106420000000052527051.40.260.41
    2019/206D82000Corcoran, Connor144812162400330000000000000.860.43
    2018/198D82000Corcoran, Connor68102232-4530412011550021000000000.470.44
    2017/186D82000Corcoran, Connor6332124-11400500940011000000000.380.63
    2019/202LW112001Afanasyev, Egor146814583200390011111010011218.210.57
    2019/205C292001D'Amico, Daniel1349137221200281010111110011654.511.69
    2018/194C292001D'Amico, Daniel67212546-222557111483242313133.36027450.690.37
    2017/1810C292001D'Amico, Daniel591271943110006331300000011545.50.320.53
    2019/209D432001Henault, Louka14110111280000150000000000000.790.57
    2018/1911D432001Henault, Louka66220220280200660010000000000.330.42
    2017/1821D432001Henault, Louka42022-5220000210000000000000.050.52
    2019/2013D32001Ladd, Grayson131671020000110000000000000.540.15
    2018/1913D32001Ladd, Grayson48216181560111390000000000000.380.13
    2017/1819D32001Ladd, Grayson30055220000150000000000000.170.07
    2019/2021G12001Piiroinen, Kari9000000000000000000000000
    2018/1922G12001Piiroinen, Kari27000000000000000000000000
    2019/2011LW132002Cuylle, Will14279-59230026000000000664466.70.640.64
    2018/196LW132002Cuylle, Will63261541350560018710413030013159450.650.79
    2019/204C932002Foudy, Jean-Luc146713-341200282001000001054038.10.930.29
    2018/193C932002Foudy, Jean-Luc6384149-1916110111201000101002609837.70.780.25
    2019/2016RW812002Maggio, Matthew12134340000170000000001000.330.33
    2019/2012RW252002McDonald, Kyle135384401001500010000082250.620.31
    2018/1915RW252002McDonald, Kyle39411153100000621000000009555.60.380.26
    2019/207D882002Rafkin, Ruben1411112-1180500251000000000000.861.29
    2019/2014D52002Robinson, Dylan141563121100210000000000000.430.86
    2018/1919D52002Robinson, Dylan8134-30000030000000000000.50
    2019/2020G302002Medina, Xavier5000000000000000000000000
    2019/2018C552003Johnston, Wyatt911212000010000000000341544.10.220.22
    2019/2015RW912003Zito, Pasquale11134470000710000000014857.10.360.64
     
  11. cfaub

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    I think most look at the deadline period as returning from the Christmas break so yes, mid December when they go on Christmas break is when a team needs to know what they're going to do.

    Here's the picks, totalled up minus the conditional picks. I guess what I'm trying to figure with what you're saying is when do you hope to see the team to decide if they're making a run, tinkering a bit, standing pat or selling. What would they have to looki like to sway you one way or another?

    If they're not all in this year, next year is a host year so take into account that picks in 2020 will no longer be part of that total.

    As far as I can tell all picks belong to Windsor, no outstanding conditionals owed and the conditionals owed to Windsor are obviously undetermined which is why I didn't include them in the totals.

    YEARRND 1RND 2RND 3RND 4RND 5RND 6RND 7RND 8RND 9RND 10RND 11RND 12RND 13RND 14RND 15
    2020WSR 1STFLT 2ND
    LDN 2ND
    ---KIT 4TH
    OSH 4TH
    --- ---WSR 7THWSR 8THWSR 9THWSR 10THWSR 11THWSR 12TH
    GUE 12TH
    WSR 13THOTT 14THWSR 15TH
    2021WSR 1STBAR 2ND ---WSR 4TH
    FLT 4TH
    WSR 5TH
    ERI 5TH
    WSR 6TH
    SSM 6TH
    WSR 7THWSR 8THWSR 9THWSR 10THWSR 11THWSR 12THWSR 13THWSR 14THBAR 15TH
    OTT 15TH
    2022WSR 1STOSH 2ND
    OTT 2ND
    ---ERI 4THWSR 5THWSR 6TH
    KGN 6TH
    WSR 7THWSR 8THWSR 9THWSR 10THWSR 11THWSR 12THWSR 13THWSR 14TH ---
    2023WSR 1STOTT 2NDHAM 3RD (COND)
    KIT 3RD
    KNG 3RD
    --- ---WSR 6THWSR 7THWSR 8THWSR 9THWSR 10THWSR 11THWSR 12THWSR 13THWSR 14THNIA 15TH (COND)
    2024WSR 1STKIT 2NDBAR 3RDWSR 4THWSR 5TH
    HAM 5TH (COND)
    WSR 6THWSR 7THWSR 8THWSR 9THWSR 10THWSR 11THWSR 12THWSR 13THWSR 14THWSR 15TH
    TOTALS573646555556554
     
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    Just in - Spitfires ranked 8th in Canada.
     
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    Don’t want to look past North Bay, but Sunday against Saginaw will be a litmus test.
     
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    Boka's play this year may be the reason that some teams come calling. He has always been an effective shut down, shot blocking forward who is good on the penalty kill. Teams may see this as a final piece of their puzzle and may even slightly over pay for him... nothing crazy... maybe a couple of draft picks or a young player and a later pick

    I think that Angle, Douglas and Corcoran all return... don't think that they are ready for the pros. That being said, if they continue to play as they have so far, I could see them being attractive to other teams
     
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    I think based on your predictions of what it will cost to go all in, that is too steep. McDonald and Robinson are going to be really good for a number of years and without the draft picks, there will be no one to replace them .
     
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    Good recognition for early in the season
     
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    None of them r ready for pros.
     
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    That combined with what you pointed out, Angle, Douglas and Corcoran probably being sought after is why I think this is a year more like 2007/08, a chance to add more young talent, a decent bunch of high draft picks and set themselves up long term ala 208/09 to 2010/11.

    This is the year to remain relatively competitive while focusing on long term competitiveness.

    It's great to see the team off to such a solid start bt it really shows just what's gone on the last number of years where the only way to take advantage of it is to go right back to where they've been for most of the last decade, struggling to get in the playoffs while not being able to do much while they were there, 2017 notwithstanding.

    I for one am tired of seeing them making the playoffs and nothing else as being some type of victory. Time to get things on the right path finally, especially when you consider the trading of draft picks goes down to four years next year. It would be nice to start that timeframe off with an abundance that can be used for deals, make the picks or if they have extra, flip them to keep the cupboards full.

    Now they can simply tinker a bit but that's moving out picks they won't be able to replace which may or may not get them into the second or third round but then what? They have no picks if players return and if they don't they're still going to be going into a rebuild with nothing significant to show for it.
     
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    The only picks they have to use are the 2020 picks - rest can stay in the bank so to speak. They have an extra 2nd and 4th this year so maybe a player could be brought in that might fit the go for it window? Still leaves them with a 2nd and 4th for drafting and picks high enough kids should be able to make the team. There would be no room for a 1st, 2 2nds and 2 4ths to make the team - can't have that many rookies anyway. I'm all for selling off anyone that will not return but if any of Angle, Corcoran or Douglas are coming back as OA", there is no way I'm moving them out. I was all for moving Boka last year but this year I'm not so sure - if they move others out best to keep the captain in the room. Trade deadline is 9 weeks from Friday - seems to come quicker every year.
     
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    Well hopefully the CHL flu does not sweep through the Spits.
     
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    I'm still worried staying pat is being considered an option. Bowler really hasn't shown his cards yet - at least not in public - this is when you miss Warren.
     
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    Big surprise, the Spits are in first place and a bunch of tools are talking about trading things away at the deadline for some alleged future opportunity. Never mind the fact that none of the Spits opponents so far look capable of handling them in a seven game series, lets horde assets instead and then hope our new management can turn that into future success. I hate the perpetual rebuild mentality that prevails on HFboards, its for losers. When you have a good team you go with it. Many of the same people chirping about dealing away at the deadline think our management is bad. I guess they want us to trade our good players for future draft picks that we'll waste on players we can't get to report or who bust? What's the point? Keep what we have, if there's a player worth adding at a price worth paying we do it, and roll the dice on what seems to be a pretty good team. 8th best in Canada I'm told...
     
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    If you keep what you have and there isn’t anything out there to add for price you want to pay then what’s the point of staying as is. If Boka has value or purboo you trade them. There is no way this team wins as is. If they go for it they may need to even find a goaltender for realistic chance from what they have shown to this point. But hey most of us are just tools and losers for wanting multiple years of success over 1 year of maybe we can do it cause we started out great. Being ranked 8th is nice. But really doesn’t mean much. Realistically no one knows how Windsor compares to any other team in WHL or the Q if they were to play. Nice to be recognized but doesn’t mean much.
     
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    The point is the team can still make moves and be fine this year while extending an opportunity to be a consistent team year after year. If they moved certain pieces while retaining Foudy/Cuylle/MacDonald/Robinson/Rafkin/D'Amico etc... then you can set yourself up better for the future. A lot of talk of Boka but he has a 30% shooting % that isn't sustainable in the least. They're getting the most they can out of some guys right now. Why not see if someone thinks the same and you can get assets in return.

    This isn't knocking #8 ranking but what matters more if they have staying power and can still be #8 say 3 months from now. That's the bigger test and what matters more than what is going on Nov 6th 2019.
     
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    Really, this was something I loved about WR. Bowler is very, very tight-lipped and it's strange to deal with.

    I'm curious about something - if Windsor was ranked #1 in a couple of weeks, would people shrug it off because it's only November? Maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like the goalposts are being moved because it's not the second half. I go back to what I said earlier; if you told anyone on this board that the Spitfires would be sniffing the Top 10 come Oct/Nov, you'd have been laughed and, and maybe rightfully so. Now, we're #8, but it's too early. Sorry, it makes me scratch my head a bit.
     
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